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Brown, Whitman tangle over illegal immigration in debate - Los Angeles Times

Brown, Whitman debate: Brown, Whitman heatedly debate illegal immigration - latimes.com div.thumbnail span.credit { font-weight: normal !important;}div.article div.articlerail ul li.relatedTitle, div.storygallery div.storyGalleryRail ul li.relatedTitle { font-size: 12px !important;} Mobile Site Subscribe/Manage Account Print Ads Place an Ad LAT Store Jobs Cars Real Estate Rentals More Classifieds   latimes.com Local HOME Breaking iPhone Apps Weather Traffic Obituaries Join Now Community Crosswords Wine Club Local L.A. Now Politics Crime Education O.C. Westside Neighborhoods Environment Obituaries Hot List U.S. Politics Now Top of the Ticket Science & Environment Obituaries Religion World Afghanistan & Pakistan Africa Asia Europe Iran Iraq Latin America Mexico Under Siege Middle East Business Money & Co. Technology Personal Finance Small Business Company Town Jobs Real Estate Cars Sports Lakers Clippers Dodgers Angels Kings/Ducks NFL USC UCLA Soccer High Schools Scores/Stats Entertainment Movies Television Music Celebrity Arts & Culture Company Town Calendar Envelope Books Hot List Health Booster Shots Fitness & Nutrition Medicine Mental Health Healthcare Reform Breast Cancer Hospitals Living Home Food Image Books Parenting Hot List Brand X Magazine Your Scene Cars Travel California Hawaii Mexico Las Vegas Europe Asia Australia Travel & Deal Blog Destinations Opinion Editorials Op-Ed Letters Endorsements Opinion L.A. More Corrections Readers' Rep Photos Video Blogs Data Desk Weather Traffic Puzzles & Games Mobile Mobile Site Subscribe/Manage Account Print Ads Place an Ad LAT Store Jobs Cars Real Estate Rentals More Classifieds In the News: One Nation Rally ucla-washington state usc-washington Weather Rick Sanchez Meg Whitman Brown, Whitman tangle over illegal immigration in debate Sparks fly at a Spanish-language debate between the candidates for California governor. Whitman says Brown was behind ex-housekeeper's emergence. Brown accuses Whitman of failing to take responsibility. Share Related A jumbled view of illegal immigrants A jumbled view of illegal immigrants Meg Whitman says she'd submit to polygraph Meg Whitman says she'd submit to polygraph Steve Lopez: Meg, let's get together for that lie-detector test Stories Whitman admits using undocumented immigrant as housekeeper Whitman admits using undocumented immigrant as housekeeper Brown and Whitman go head to head Brown and Whitman go head to head Brown leads Whitman 49%-44% in poll Brown leads Whitman 49%-44% in poll See more stories » X Whitman sets U.S. record for candidate's donation to campaign By Michael J. Mishak, Los Angeles Times October 2, 2010|2:21 p.m.

EmailE-mail printPrint increase text sizedecrease text sizeText Size la-me-1003-brown-whitman-debate-20101003 Reporting from Fresno — Gubernatorial candidates Meg Whitman and Jerry Brown tangled in a blistering dispute Saturday over Whitman's employment of an illegal immigrant housekeeper as they met for the campaign's first and only Spanish-language debate.

The most intense exchange of the debate, held at Cal State Fresno, came when the moderator asked Whitman about the revelations earlier this week that she had employed Nicandra Diaz Santillan for nine years before firing her in 2009. Whitman has denied knowing that Diaz Santillan was undocumented until just before the dismissal.

Whitman turned to face Brown and accused Brown of being behind Santillan's emergence.

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"Jerry, you should be ashamed," she said, turning to Brown and shaking her finger. "You and your surrogates put her deportation at risk. You put her out there. You should be ashamed for sacrificing Nicky Diaz on the altar of your political ambitions."

Brown fired back, denying any involvement and accusing Whitman of failing to take responsibility.

"Let's be sympathetic and let's really empathize with the millions of people who are in the shadows and you want to keep them in the shadows and now you're trying to evade responsibility," he said. "Don't run for governor if you can't stand up on your own two feet and say, 'Hey I made a mistake, I'm sorry, let's go on from here.' You have blamed her, blamed me, blamed the left, blamed the unions but you don't take accountability."

Whitman said she fulfilled her obligations as an employer and fired the housekeeper when the woman disclosed her undocumented status last year.

The 60-minute debate was much more confrontational, and their accusations much more personal than their first meeting, which took place Tuesday night in Davis. Saturday's debate was sponsored by Univision, the Fresno Bee, the Fresno Area Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, Cal State Fresno and the city of Fresno.

It was filmed at midday Saturday, with questions posed in Spanish and simultaneously translated for the candidates. It was to be aired later, after Spanish voiceovers were added to the candidates' responses.

The meeting was plagued by technical difficulties. Immediately after the exchange about the housekeeper, the translation system stopped working, and both candidates were taken off stage for several minutes and placed in separate holding areas.

Unemployment, home foreclosures, education and the water shortage in the Central Valley also played prominent roles in the clash, but illegal immigration provided the sharpest contrast between the candidates, with Brown supporting a path to citizenship for undocumented workers and Whitman opposing one. Brown repeatedly accused Whitman of "talking out of both sides of her mouth" as she appeals to Latinos. Whitman stood by her proposals, including a guest-worker program, and emphasized instead her plans to create jobs and improve education, two areas of considerable interest to Latinos since the economy has disproportionately affected them.

Latinos are an emerging political force in California, representing 21% of the electorate, compared with 10% two decades ago. In 2008, they made up 18% of general-election voters. Republicans have long seen an opportunity to regain ground because many Latinos share some of the core values of the party, such as social conservatism, and are small-business owners. But until now GOP candidates have lacked the resources to make an all-out push for their votes.

Whitman, who has put $119 million of her own money into her campaign, has launched an aggressive outreach effort, flooding Spanish-language radio and TV and opening neighborhood offices in cities with large Latino populations. Brown, on the other hand, ran a bare-bones campaign through the summer, relying on labor unions to carry his message until last month when he began airing his own ads.

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Email E-mail Print Print add to Digg Digg add to Twitter Twitter add to Facebook Facebook Read This Later Read This Later   Comments (62)Add / View comments | Discussion FAQ PauvrePapillon at 4:35 PM October 02, 2010

You really want an amnesty program? You really want to shake things up? You really want to live in a multi-cultural America? You really want social justice? You really want to show compassion for those less fortunate?

Here is my proposal.

If by age 30, you have not been able to figure out a way to make a living, if you are still drawing general welfare or AFDC or food stamps or Section 8 housing or any other means-tested taxpayer provided benefit, we trade you, your passport and citizenship to the highest-bidding foreigner who wants to move to America and make a go of it.

You get one-half of the funds paid by the highest bidder for your citizenship to help you get started in your new country. The taxpayers get the other half to help offset the monies you have drained out of the treasury.

vconcerned at 4:30 PM October 02, 2010



The Whitman family hired the illegal alien through an employment agency.  The illegal alien approached the Whitman family and confessed that she was in this country illegally.  The Whitman family fires the employment of illegal alien per California law.  I commend law abiding citizen's and can not blame the family for hiring an illegal alien they acquired through an employment agency that should have verified that the ss number matched the person.  The illegal alien stole an innocent US citizen's ss number, along as took a position that could have gone to a US citizen, is in this country illegally, and has not yet been deported, and some slum bag lawyer who happens to contribute to Jerry Brown's campaign for governorship not once, but twice in his career is representing the illegal alien.  There is enough evidence there for me to see that this is a smear campaign and Jerry Brown is the man behind the smear.  



FredLarsen at 4:29 PM October 02, 2010

These debates are a waste of time. Did anyone learn when the water will be turned back on in the CV ? No. Did we get any input on what they think, and will inherit, as result of the new budget ? No. The Dems just signed off on $7.5B in cuts to schools ? More cuts to "other". Your thoughts Jerry ? How can we afford any taxcuts? Meg ??? My wife's union, the AFL-CIO, just filled our mailbox with they're typical BS! Don't touch our pensions, blah, blah, blah. The sad part of it is that there are 8 illegals working in her store with Union cards. Safeway is a fine company!

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